This has been a very good week for Karl family genealogy. Not only has Elizabeth published her KarlFamilyHistory web site, but I have had quite a bit of success in pursuing the Karl family to Germany.
We have never really known where in Germany the Karl family actually came from. Grandpa and Daddy both said that we came from Luxembourg, which is a German-dialect speaking country, but its not really Germany. Elizabeth and I had found various 19th century U.S. census forms containing the immigrated Karl family, and they invariably pointed to an origin within Germany itself. Namely, the family was said to have come from either Germany, Bavaria (now a part of Germany, but then an independent kingdom), or ReinBeirn. Furthermore, we had information from the obituary for Peter, our (Im writing this from the viewpoint of the Karl siblings) great-great-uncle, who died in 1915 in Ohio, which said that he had been born in Wertzviler.
The problem was that there was no Wertzviler to be found in Germany today. Last fall, Cynthia and I took a vacation to Germany. One of the things we did was try to find the Karl family origin. I had found on the internet a reference to a town that today is called Wörschweiler, but at an earlier time was called Wertzweiler. I was sure that this had to be the place. So we went there and were put in touch with a gentleman who was an expert in the local genealogy. He said there had never been any Karls in Wörschweiler. He suggested that it might be a town a little further to the south, Worschweiler. So we went there, looked in the local cemetery and found no Karls (or Renzes Johann, our great-great-grandfather, was married to Catherine Elizabeth Renz), and talked on the phone to a gentleman expert with the local history: again, no Karls had ever been there.
When we got back from Germany, I subscribed to two Internet genealogical lists, one dealing with genealogy in the Saarland and one dealing with genealogy in the Rhineland-Pfalz. Both the Saarland and Rheinland-Pfalz are states in current Germany, both are close to Luxembourg, and part of the Rhineland-Pfalz once belonged to Bavaria and was called Rhein-Bayern (see above, where the US census shows ReinBeirn as one of the Karls origins). I submitted a description of the Johann Karl family as I knew it (i.e., Johann, our great-great-grandmother, Elizabeth, his wife, and their eight children, John, Peter, and so on, including Philip, their youngest, who was grandpas father). I got no replies directly on the net, but a couple of people sent me email suggesting possibilities for Wertzviler. One of the suggestions was Würzweiler, a little village in Rhineland-Pfalz.
Two developments then occurred, both of which came to fruition last week: I ordered seven microfilms from the Mormons in Salt Lake City which contained official or church records from towns around Würzweiler, and I hired a gentlemen I had met on the Internet genealogy lists to do some research for me in the area around Würzweiler. My microfilms came in last week and I went in to the local Mormon church to look at them. I dont know if you have ever had the opportunity to look at microfilms, but let me tell you it is a very tedious job. Plus, my back was hurting. I had just about given up when I was about half way through the first microfilm, which contained photos of a church book from the Rockenhausen parish church, but I decided to just scan down the rest of the film very hurriedly. At one point the film stopped, and there was the baptismal entry for our great-great-grandfather, Johann. The name Karl seemed to leap off the film at me. Here is a copy of Johann's baptismal entry. And here is how I described it to Elizabeth:
Transcription and translation of the baptismal entries found on FHL tape 0400421 (on the tape itself, it is called Film LM1216) :
The first one is found on a page following a page headed 1803:
On the left margin: (Jo)hannes Karll ex (Wü)rzweiler
Body: Trigesima junii baptisatus, qui 29na ejusdam natus est
filius L : jacobi Karl et Catharina Stolhoferin joannis,
quem S : e fonte lavabant joannis hilger et Catharina
Drinex ex Würzweiler
Translation : baptized the 30th of June, who was born on the 29th of the same (month)
legitimate son of Jacob Karl and Catherine Stolhofer (daughter) of John,
whom as sponsors from the (baptismal) font washed John Hilger and Catharine
Drinex(?) from Würzweiler
The other development was that I got email from my researcher in Germany, saying that he had talked to the officials in Rockenhausen and that Peter had indeed been born in Würzweiler. He has since traveled to Rockenhausen, the nearest town to Würzweiler, and checked out the official records himself. He has found many. He also managed to locate a lady whose maiden name was Renz. She had family documents that went back to the time of our great-great-grandfather. In fact, she had documentation about our great-great-grandmother, Elizabeth, and who her parents were and so on. In all, the researcher was able to document approximately another 80 relatives we have (or had) in Germany. Plus, we know of at one living relative in Germany; I figure she would be something like a fourth cousin to us. Here is a picture of Würzweiler, taken by my German researcher; the village of Gerbach is in the background.
So now we know the parents of both of our paternal great-great-grandparents, namely, Jacob and Katherine Stollhofer Karl on the paternal side and Valentine and Barbara Mueller Renz on the maternal side. (I dont know if Cynthia or Elizabeth has realized it, but this might mean that Cynthias cousin, Lynn Mueller, might actually be related by blood to me, too.)
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I have reexamined the baptismal entry for Johann and would now make the following changes to the transcription:
* in the 2nd line change "joannis" to "joannes"
* in the 3rd line change "lavabant joannis" to "levabant joannes"
* in the 4th line change "Drinex" to "Adrian"
The translation, then, would now read:
Baptized the 30th of Jun, who was born on the 29th of the same (month),
legitimate son of Jacob Karl and Catharine Stolhofer, John,
whom as godparents from the (baptismal) font lifted Johann Hilger and Catharine
Adrian from Wuerzweiler.
Posted by Patrick | May 7, 2004 7:45 AM
Posted on May 7, 2004 07:45
Okay, I see why you made sure to change the blog entry title so that I would know to read your disrespectful comments! Naughty Daddy. You know perfectly well that if you were truly interested in the nitty-gritty of researching and categorizing that you would have stuck with it way back when you interviewed Grama in the '70s. I bet it would be in the same state as the kitchen cabinets . . . Besides, your talents are clearly being well used, and you are doing stuff that I could not. Isn't that the basis of a truly complementary partnership?
All--I am hoping (key word there) to update the web site before the baby comes. I had to take off a few days due to total exhaustion, and then yesterday I had to do baby-related things around the house, but fingers crossed that I can make a great deal of progress tomorrow and possibly even get a new site up by the end of the week (with a little intro to help point out what's new).
Posted by Elizabeth | April 27, 2004 4:59 PM
Posted on April 27, 2004 16:59
Theresa, Elizabeth won't let me work on researching and categorizing, I only get to find the raw data. Unfortunately (for the family tree), she's pretty busy sprouting a new sprig in the tree right now.
As far as possibly marrying my cousin, there's not really a very high probability of that. Mueller, which means "miller", is a very common name, like Smith, because every large town needed a flour mill to grind the grain into flour. When family names were meted out (probably in the 1400-1600 time frame), a common method was to assign occupational names. Naturally, this method led to unrelated people with the same occupation, such as miller, sharing their family name.
I asked my German researcher about the two villages depicted in the picture linked to above. He confirmed that the one in the foreground is Wuerzweiler and said that the one in the background is Gerbach.
Stepan, thanks for locating the site about Wuerzweiler. If anyone wants me to translate the text on the main page, let me know.
As far as the lady named Renz in Wuerzweiler goes, the best I can figure with the data at hand is that she is probably our 5th cousin. I think that her great-great-great-grandfather, Johann Renz (1769-1840), and our great-great-great-grandfather, Valentin Renz (1765-1837) were probably brothers. Hopefully, I will be able to find the baptismal entries for Johann and Valentin Renz this week, which I expect will show that they had the same parents.
Posted by Patrick | April 26, 2004 10:03 AM
Posted on April 26, 2004 10:03
I found this site that has information, a couple of photos and even a TV program about Würzweiler. It's all in German, though. Still, this little town of 220 people sounds pretty neat.
Posted by stepan | April 22, 2004 10:51 PM
Posted on April 22, 2004 22:51
Your perseverance and success pleases us all! It seems now it would be possible to go back generations to the royalty from which we know we came. I do agree with Elizabeth about the town - it looks so peaceful and inviting. I would love to go!
Posted by Kathleen | April 20, 2004 11:20 AM
Posted on April 20, 2004 11:20
You must have been very excited by your find. From Elizabeth's note, it seems that you are returning to Germany in the Fall- that should be REALLY exciting.
Posted by Leah | April 19, 2004 9:56 AM
Posted on April 19, 2004 09:56
That is really neat, Pat. And kind of icky...you might have married your cousin!!!!
BTW, Cousin Cynthia...thank you so much for the info on the Central Park Canopies...it looks really interesting....
Posted by meredith | April 19, 2004 8:40 AM
Posted on April 19, 2004 08:40
I've spent a number of hours checking out the KarlFamilyHistory site. It has been a fascinating read, but I must admit I've been quite enthralled with the photos. I had no idea that Grandpa Jack had such a beautiful wife. It is no wonder, in my mind, he never remarried.
I can see that Elizabeth is going to have a lot of fun and work researching and categorizing the newly found Karl family members, or do you plan on taking on the task, Pat?
Posted by Theresa | April 18, 2004 11:30 PM
Posted on April 18, 2004 23:30
I love the picture--I hadn't seen that yet! What a lovely little town. It looks similar to the landscape I've seen of the Tuscarawas River valley in Ohio where the Karls settled--green and rolling hills. Wish I were going to be able to visit it with you this fall!
Posted by Elizabeth | April 18, 2004 8:22 PM
Posted on April 18, 2004 20:22